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Old 31 Mar 2012, 02:44 pm
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Default Problem with Energy Lower Control Arm Bushings

Hi All,

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Two years ago I removed my control arms and took to a shop (I sent parts along) to be rebuilt. I had moog ball joints put in, and energy bushings (I also gave the guy instructions. It was a NAPA machine shop, so I'm fairly certain they knew what they were doing.

Alas, the steering feels a little sloppy around corners now, like its gonna tip over. I had winter tires put on, and I got the alignment checked, and the guy told me the lower control arm was too low where the vertical bushing is, and then he put a pry bar between the control arm and frame and showed me there was about 1/2" or so of movement. They said they couldn't align it becuase of the LCA being to low, and that the aftermarket bushings are wrong.

I just looked over a PDF of the instructions for the energy kit, and it looks like (from my memory) everything was put in right.

What gives?

Everything on the front end is new except the struts (2003, 86,000 miles) and I was going to take everything apart and look at it when I replaced the struts next week, but would like to have parts on hand.

Should there be any play in the bushings? I asked the guy to make sure the bolts were tight - they were at AT LEAST 220 ft pounds of torque - so plenty tight there....
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Old 31 Mar 2012, 04:44 pm
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IDk, Guess they sent you some for an (old) Neon????
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Old 31 Mar 2012, 04:54 pm
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Default Re: Problem with Energy Lower Control Arm Bushings

maybe they install them wrong or didn't put the bushings the right way....

why don't you post a picture of the control arm?...
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Old 31 Mar 2012, 05:20 pm
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Default Re: Problem with Energy Lower Control Arm Bushings

Sounds like they didn't put the whole kit in.
When I did mine there was no room at all, in fact they were a PITA to get in.
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Old 31 Mar 2012, 06:34 pm
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Default Re: Problem with Energy Lower Control Arm Bushings

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maybe they install them wrong or didn't put the bushings the right way....

why don't you post a picture of the control arm?...
I could post a pic of it installed and underneath the car.



I am going to take them apart next week (I'm off for several days during easter)

So since there should be no play (I didn't think they should) I can only assume the machine shop put them in wrong

I guess I will order a set to have on hand when I take it all apart (such a pita)

I got the bushings from the whole energy kit I bought from fleabay along time ago - this part number.
E-33-02-1-01
E-12 Energy Suspension
5.18108G PT Cruiser
01-UP PT Cruiser Master
Did I get the right kit?

So at this point I'm looking at either getting new MOOG control Arms from RockAuto for 65$ a side, or getting the Energy bushing set from Partsgeek. My only doubt is that I don't completely remember if the guy from the machine shop re-used the metal sleeve from the old bushing. If that is the case, where do I get the metal sleeve?

At the same time I will be putting new struts on. I'd like something MUCH stiffer than stock, but don't want to deal with coil springs. I was thinking of the monroe premium quick strut. Are those better than the stock ones?
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Old 31 Mar 2012, 09:13 pm
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Default Re: Problem with Energy Lower Control Arm Bushings

you have to reuse the metal sleeve when the bushings were changed, otherwise there's nothing in there to hold everything in place.
The Energy Suspension bushings for the position are a real PITA to install! I hear the Prothane ones are much easier to deal with and work just as well for the vertical LCA bushing.

And everything looks OK in that picture from what I can tell.
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Old 31 Mar 2012, 10:03 pm
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Default Re: Problem with Energy Lower Control Arm Bushings

After thinking about how I put those on - I don't think I reused the metal piece. Where might I get one? If I buy an OEM bushing will it come with the metal piece I need?
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Old 01 Apr 2012, 06:26 am
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I agree, I don't think I reused the metal piece, giving you all of that play.
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Old 01 Apr 2012, 01:47 pm
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My (prothanes?) don't look anything like that.
They look like two sandwich buns on either side of control arm.
I don't like them, but they last and are very stiff.

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Old 03 Apr 2012, 12:43 pm
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Can you tell me where to get detailed instructions for replacing the lower control arms?
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