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Old 05 Oct 2012, 09:10 am
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Default More Lows?

My car is low at the front, but I want more lows!

However, the tyres are hitting the arch liner. I have tried removing the arch liner, but there is a panel join right in the middle of the arch. I have thought about grinding this back, but am concerned that it will affect the structural integrity of the car and cause the front panels to flex. Has anybody tried this and if so, what was the outcome?
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Old 05 Oct 2012, 10:28 am
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Might take awhile to get an answer. Most (if not all) complain that it's too low in the front now. Those of us that lower the PT all around have to watch out for just about everything that's more that 3 inches off the ground. Can't tell you all the times I've hit road kill that was already flattened and lying in the road. Finally had to take off my chrome overlay that was on the air dam because it was getting too messed up. Inclines, driveways, speed bumps are a nightmare.
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Old 05 Oct 2012, 01:59 pm
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When I first had my coilovers the front was dropped almost 3". I couldn't drive the car around without constantly hitting 8 out of 10 speedbumps or scrapping with the bottom. So I screwed it up a little bit to the 2,6" I have now and I rarely touch something now.

So how in earth could you possibly go lower then your construction alows ??
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Old 05 Oct 2012, 02:21 pm
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To answer your question. Yes you will be grinding on the unitized frame structure of the car. Like above, how will the bumper clear?
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Old 05 Oct 2012, 02:29 pm
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Hey their ptcru1s3r,

What are you running right now, how low are you sitting, and on what size wheels? Also do you have any pic's?

If your running drop springs on factory spec wheels you should be able to clear roughly 3" and still manage to keep from rubbing but barely. Here is where mine sat on my custom drop springs which gave a 3" x 5" drop. Keep in mind at that low you will be tagging the muffler, and hitting on driveways and speed bums which I assume you already know.



I still wanted more drop so 3 months, and a ton of work later and....here is mine today. Complete one off full suspension, air ride reverse cantilever with dog bone in back with bags mounted sideways on shackles to get the stock 17"s to tuck about 2" into the body, and custom turned billet struts up front shortened on custom air ride guts and bags. Cool part is nothing was cut or reworked, and even the inner fender well plastics are still in place.




Anywayz let me know and I can see if I might be able to point you in the right direction.
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Old 05 Oct 2012, 02:38 pm
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Okay Candyman... but airride is kinda cheating. You don 't drive it that low.
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Old 05 Oct 2012, 03:17 pm
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Hey their Teska,

So true lol. If I did, it wouldn't got too terribly far as its sitting on metal supports to keep it from crushing the pinch weld under the body. Crazy thing is when its dropped on a smooth surface you can actually spin the back wheels by hand. Here is a short vid of both front and back.

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And here is a link with more pix of work being done.

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I did however drive it with my 3" x 5" drop spring kit otherwise known as "CandyDrops" I made for a short while so I was rolling hard core at one point and time.

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Old 05 Oct 2012, 04:53 pm
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So I guess I will be the bad guy and mention how when you lower the suspension or body more then aporx. 1.75 (+/- .025 dependent on other suspension upgrades) inches from measured exact stock ride height you start to make the car handle slowly worse. Unless you spend the time and lots of money to correct the suspension geometry then in many cases you are setting your vehicle up to be almost dangerous. Just because it feels like it drives like a go-cart does not mean it does. If your thing is for looks like Candyman then that is cool lower away and drive accordingly. Safely and slowly. I don't know about some of you but when I see stupidly lowered car driving around corners like they have some kind of track car I give them plenty of space between me and them so I have plenty of leisure time to get out of the debris lane when they crash!


Hey Candyman every time is your PT I think WOW! a lot of fricken work in that BAD BOY!!
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Old 05 Oct 2012, 07:39 pm
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Hey Nitro,

I truly appreciate your kind words. They are very much appreciated.

I am extremely fortunate to be able to work around some amazing talented people. Some of the stuff they do just is so cool its hard to wrap my head around it, and to them its just another day at the office. I can go on and on, but just look up Ken Ginnings and Jim "Bones" Noteboom, and you get a feeling for what they do.

Anywayz, back on track. I couldn't agree more, and a lot of the older guys have heard me preach the importance of safety when messing around with suspension many times.

Rides like mine for example, yes its air ride, yes its low, but to get mine to sit where it is right now took 3 months, and countless hours basically gutting the entire underside of the car and starting over from scratch. A couple parts were modified and massively strengthened, and the rest was all hand built. Part of the reason for all this trouble and time was, this is a unibody car which retains its strength from the body itself. Anytime you alter that body structure, you create a week point which you then have to go back and try to fix and reinforce which can start to create a real mess in a hurry. Here is an example of a good idea that got seriously lost in translation. Look at all he did to try to offset having to cut the body up. Granted this was also air ride but you get the idea.

Trunk cut and modified to get the rear wheels to tuck.



Strut Towers cut and relocated to get the front end lower.



I have seen way too many people try to modify springs by heating them or cutting them with a torch without paying any attention to the fact that heat will cause the hardened spring to lose its temper and strength which most often will fail and break under minimal stress. I have seen first hand where people have tried to heat springs on a PT to drop it and the rear springs coming out as they were not seated correctly in the pocked cause they were too short and were not running shocks to get it to sit lower and one bump is all it took. The fronts are worse as the spring on the strut is under a ton of compression, and once the spring breaks, I have seen fragments go through the fender which is no fun when your traveling at 70 mph on the freeway.

If you chop springs with a saw its better, but still if your not dead on you can easily throw suspension geometry off making even more of a mess and creating a dangerous situation as well.

It really doesn't matter what it is, or how much money you throw at it, once you alter suspension, its more for looks and you will sacrifice somewhere for it. Its more in the execution and know how as to how much of a sacrifice your going to end up with.
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I am just glad candyman agreed with him. Otherwise this thread would be posted with every article about the dangers of lowering a vehicle too much. Not to mention I wouldn't even click on the link or read the koolaid!
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