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Old 13 Aug 2019, 12:41 pm
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I understand poly can make a huge difference. My question is about these specific bushings. I don't think they really support the car and the axle just rotates on them. I don't think there is much deflection. Do they just slide more smoothly?
You have no real way of knowing how the system fully interacts unless you can simulate the loading and stresses on a complex mechanical engineering software program. You can only make reasonable assumptions based on what is known, vs what is unknown.
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Old 17 Aug 2019, 05:47 pm
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Wow, I hurt my back and took a week off and my simple question turned into a minor debate with hurt feelers even. lol

So, my high point from the replies is that its implied that im apparently an idiot because i dont know that I use oem style drivers to push a bushing with NO METAL shell into an original metal shell...

Whats confusing to me is the idea that of using a bushing pusher intended to push a oem bushing by the metal shell, and then the new one WITH a metal shell back into its place... SO....maybe I am an idiot, but one would think that the reinstallation part would be different, since the shell is already in place. One would think it would be more like (just for example) ring compressors for installing pistons... where in my mind i can only see the oem style pushers making the naked shell-less bushing flat instead of smoothly squishing into place.
Sorry, forgive me for wanting to be prepared before I start...
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Old 19 Aug 2019, 09:37 am
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Wow, I hurt my back and took a week off and my simple question turned into a minor debate with hurt feelers even. lol

So, my high point from the replies is that its implied that im apparently an idiot because i dont know that I use oem style drivers to push a bushing with NO METAL shell into an original metal shell...

Whats confusing to me is the idea that of using a bushing pusher intended to push a oem bushing by the metal shell, and then the new one WITH a metal shell back into its place... SO....maybe I am an idiot, but one would think that the reinstallation part would be different, since the shell is already in place. One would think it would be more like (just for example) ring compressors for installing pistons... where in my mind i can only see the oem style pushers making the naked shell-less bushing flat instead of smoothly squishing into place.
Sorry, forgive me for wanting to be prepared before I start...

No hurt feelings here. I was just trying to find out if any members that made the change had any input on results. I just changed my entire rear, so I spent a decent amount of time looking at those bushings and thinking that it looked like a cheap design. Sorry if it was a bit of a hijack. I've never changed those bushings, so I will show myself out.
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Old 19 Aug 2019, 10:01 am
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Oh no Fk5, you're good.
And I AM, in fact replacing every bushing... (well except for the trailing arms at the moment). She's been on jacks since the beginning of this. the front is finished, and most of the rear is done, including fresh KYBs (x4) and every piece i could acquire on the market. The trailing arms are the only thing still un-polyed, but the Energy suspension box still sitting next to me right now.
I just dont want to have to drive an hour and a half to a salvage lot if I dont have to.
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Old 19 Aug 2019, 10:07 am
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Oh no Fk5, you're good.
And I AM, in fact replacing every bushing... (well except for the trailing arms at the moment). She's been on jacks since the beginning of this. the front is finished, and most of the rear is done, including fresh KYBs (x4) and every piece i could acquire on the market. The trailing arms are the only thing still un-polyed, but the Energy suspension box still sitting next to me right now.
I just dont want to have to drive an hour and a half to a salvage lot if I dont have to.
Cool. Please provide a full report once you are driving it around.

Sometimes when I see your user name, I think it is one of my aliases. FK5 is the color code of my 'cuda. Mine is a '70 e-body. My Dad bought it new in 1970. I see yours is the lighter a-body. Is it a factory 440? I can't imagine it is fun swapping plugs in that!
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Old 19 Aug 2019, 02:34 pm
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Nope, originally the 'Cuda was a red w/ red interior 318 console auto fastback Barracuda.
I swapped in the big block in the 90's when everyone was saying dont do it-its too hard-it handles too bad-theres not advantage over the small block-blah-blah-blah... I didnt listen. lol
It actually was pretty easy... well other than squeezing it in there without scratching the paint. This was right when Schumacker started making their tri-Y-ish headers and making easy swap motor mounts.
Then she became a daily driver for me, (for years)
And yeah...I've gotten great burns from tuning with those headers. Its funny how the skin just sticks right to the chrome.
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Old 19 Aug 2019, 06:13 pm
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Not intending to hijack the thread, but do you still have the Cuda with the 440? I'd love to see a couple of pics. I'm sure I'm not alone. We all love Mopars here.
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Old 19 Aug 2019, 09:24 pm
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Funny you mention pics. So, in the last couple years, Photobucket got dumb and cut off all image hosting... thats where my cuda pics were, but I remembered Schumaker Creative Services that I mentioned has customer pics.
These have to be from...'97, maybe '98. Im seeing what i still have and can get hosted, but at https://www.engine-swaps.com/Pages/CustomerPhotos.html The Panther Pink (or FM3 lol) cuda on that page is mine.
I was going for a very stock-ish look, but I've actually got a low rise dual 4 intake gathering dust while I collect parts to stroke her out to close to 500' (dont know the bore is going to have to be yet, but it'll be at least 493.)
Oh, the good ole days.
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Old 20 Aug 2019, 06:57 am
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Man, that is sweet! I'm surprised you're not running a power brake setup with the 440, though. How long does it take you to get it stopped? I'm guessing you're running 4 wheel drums?
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Panther pink! Wow! Still with a red interior? Those rims were the rage in the 1990's. Did you swap them? Mine is still on the same set of Keystones from 1973.

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Man, that is sweet! I'm surprised you're not running a power brake setup with the 440, though. How long does it take you to get it stopped? I'm guessing you're running 4 wheel drums?
Not to answer for him, but the brake booster pushes the M/C out and I think it it interferes with the driver's side head. Sometimes you have to compromise to put 10 lbs of sausage in a 5 lb casing. Greatness is not convenient.
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